Hey Chris. I’m sorry you feel our web page is “laugh out loud misleading”. Yours is the first complaint I’ve seen (other than from Marc Duffy and the Sega legal staff).

We take pride in being honorable in our business dealings and marketing. If I ever lied to our customers, my wife would never let me hear the end of it (not just because she is the most honest person I have ever met, but also because she handles most of the customer service e-mail and processes all of the refund requests).

I made that statement because it was 100% correct. When a lawyer from Sega told me that Marc told him it was misleading, I went through it word for word to make sure that it wasn’t.

Baseball Mogul is the only game that includes rosters from 1901 to the current season. Saying that OOTP includes historical seasons is like saying that Microsoft Excel does your taxes. Excel is a tool that can help you do your taxes, especially with the help of a knowledgeable 3rd party like a tax accountant. But it certainly doesn’t include the data and algorithms needed to do them for you.

We are the only company that pays Sean Lahman for the rights to include his database with our game. This is money that would otherwise go into my daugher’s college fund. Our beta test, open to thousands of beta testers, included the ability to play any season at the touch of a button. This means we were able to thoroughly test our import tools and the data itself. For example, we found some errors in the current Lahman Database and we fixed them before we shipped the game.

By contrast, OOTP 2006 didn’t even work with the Lahman DB. You had to wait for a patch or a 3rd party database if you wanted real players in your game.

Additionally, I spend many late nights editing and testing the rosters for the current season. Even if you manage to construct the proper league configuration in OOTP and then correctly import the Lahman data, you still don’t have 2007 rosters. The Lahman database doesn’t include any 2007 data. So at the absolute best, you just have rosters from the 2006 season.

So, it rubs me the wrong way to hear that it’s misleading to mention the cost and effort that we’ve gone to so that Baseball Mogul can simulate any season from 1901 to 2007 — out of the box — and that it’s the only game that can do so.

I’ve been writing baseball games as a hobby since the 1970s, and my professional experience includes the Tony La Russa series, Microsoft Baseball, and consulting work for EA. So I realize that a major reason people buy a baseball game is so they can play with real players. OOTP has some great tools for creating a complex fictional universe. But the fact that we take the time to include and test historical seasons is the reason we are still the best-selling PC baseball game — despite the fact that Sega has a lot more money to spend than we do.

Sorry if this rant turns you off to Mogul. We need fans like you to continue to make the game better. But if you think it’s misleading for whatever reason, there’s not much I can do.

Clay

I wouldn’t really call it a “technical explanation”. In that thread you linked to, Battists (one of the OOTP developers) agreed that it was “absolutely harder” to do historical sims in OOTP because they didn’t provide “built-in Lahman support”.

Maybe next year our web page should just say “this game sucks but I hope you buy it anyway”. I’ll let reviews and word-of-mouth do all the talking. I’m only half kidding. It’s not fun being personally attacked for plugging our features on our own site.

Also, let me know where you think I’m being a jerk in public forums. I thought I was doing a pretty good job of following the rule: “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”.

BTW, I didn’t come up with the exact wording on our box or our web site. Enlight and their PR firm did most of that. But when I got a legal threat to remove the part about “exclusive license”, I made the decision to not back down.

This is what the web site currently says:

“Sports Mogul Inc. is the exclusive licensee of the Sean Lahman Baseball Database, including complete stats and data for over 18,000 players going back to the 19th century.”

That seems to be what you are suggesting.

Because you drew my attention to it, I’m going to change “lets you play in any season” to “includes every season”. Mogul is without a doubt the only game that includes all those seasons, and that’s the point I’m trying to get across.